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Spencer Spellman's avatar

Well said! I felt your "No One Robs An Empty House" post so deeply, as the crux of it is what I've been doing a lot of work around this year with codependency.

While I don't have an opinion on the Jonah Hill situation, one thing that I've been hearing and reading a lot about, particularly involving codependency, is that among the challenges is that when starting that work, or therapy in general, there can be this huge pendulum swing. So a person who historically has no boundaries and intellectualizes everything (*raises both hands) can all of a sudden be like a "boundary bully," as I heard Brene Brown discuss it. And so there can be the use of all these therapy words and perceived changes for the sake of saying that "the work" is being done without actually acknowledging and feeling into emotions and meeting needs that need to be met. It's performative, and just like checking off the box. And speaking as a man and doing a lot of work around healthier masculinity, I think this is especially a challenge for men who are so boundaryless and who've been so conditioned to suppress their emotions

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Corona Studies's avatar

Modern talk based therapy is far more suited to women than men. Men seem to prefer to work through emotions as part of some kind of activity. Also men are naturally protective of women and so will tend to suppress any emotion (such as anger, frustration, sorrow) that would make women uncomfortable or disappointed in him.

This means men are most likely to open up in some sort of outdoor retreat with other men (and no women) where they get to actually do something constructive/ physical/ practical. This side-by-side approach is quite different to the more face-to-face approach that has become the standard.

In the past men had far more opportunities to be with other men (out logging, harvesting, fishing etc) where they could work through their feelings, but these days they tend to be cooped up in feminised workplaces full of women which makes them feel they must always tread on eggshells.

"I used to think if someone was in therapy, it meant that they were healthy, but for abusers and manipulators, therapy is just training."

It works the other way too. Therapists are increasingly using therapy to impose their ideological world view on the client (see also: teachers), which is unprofessional with adult clients and abusive in the case of younger clients. In fact there is now a growing movement within the therapy profession to push back against ideological material being inserted into training and being made part of 'standard practice' for therapists.

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